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and good morning from Philadelphia Frank

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here or good afternoon from Philadelphia

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sorry about that

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and James here from West Chester New

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York and we're ready to go with another

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episode of UFO News Network Sunday today

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we've got Simeon Hein with us to talk

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about a number of different things UFOs

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remote viewing crop circles James let

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that let's not waste the good man's time

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and now let's get right to it yes sir so

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you know it's a it's a it's a good thing

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we got Simeon on today I want to say

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that more so nowadays then even just a

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few years ago people have been on the

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consciousness wave of psy wave of things

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and have been looking at the deeper

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aspects of geology UFOs and what it

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represents and the high strangeness

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involved with it and and Simeon happens

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to have a great deal of great

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information on that so he's also on he's

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on YouTube and he has a website Simeon

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why don't you introduce yourself real

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quick so people know who you are

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well hey guys how's it going today and

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thanks for having me absolutely yeah

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well you know my background in sociology

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and statistics you know I used to teach

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statistics at a university and I got

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involved in remote viewing in 1996

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partly as a skeptic almost you know I

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mean not hard skeptic kind of thought

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you know I was open but I didn't think

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the average person had any psychic

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ability and you know that was my

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launching pad for a lot of things

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because it turned out you know I was

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wrong it works it's real and that meant

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a lot of other things I had learned in

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school in 27 years of school must be

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also wrong

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if our V was real it meant a lot of

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other phenomena were real that we had

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all been taught weren't real you know

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what I mean so that was enough I just

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started just jumping in real quick you

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realize saying that 96 times why roughly

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that's about the time that it first got

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my attention to with I think there was a

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book by Jim Schnabel a couple of TV

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documentaries is that

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what got your attention in the first

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place or something else no it was a

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class with dr. Courtney brown it

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he's a emory university and he had

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opened up his own RV research institute

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you know remote viewing research

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training institute he keep in mind guys

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yeah project Stargate was Declassified

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on and and the Ted Koppel show had

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something on it in 95 around that time

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period and it all of a sudden the people

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who have been involved in the military

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program were teaching classes in it one

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of the first was edy dames and Courtney

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had taken one of EDS classes I mean Edie

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taught one on one the way Ingo Swann his

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mentor had taught dingo taught some

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group classes but a lot of it was one on

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one so Courtney had studied with Edie

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and they were gonna work together but

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then for whatever reason they decide

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Courtney decided to do it on his own and

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he started teaching in Atlanta I heard

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him on community radio here in Boulder

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kay GNU which is a great yeah you know

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community radio station and I thought

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what is this stuff I'm part of me

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couldn't believe it he was describing

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viewing things at a distance going to

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other planets with your mind viewing

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things on Mars in the past and my kind

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of academic brain I mean I was kind of

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open to this and I thought you know it

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just kind of hit me guys like what is he

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talking I went and got his book I put it

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back on the shelf and almost walked out

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of the store hi guys I thought this is

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just gotta be and but a little voice in

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my head you know that little voice that

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says go back and get the book yeah right

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that's all like there was a feeling and

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I just obeyed whatever that was I went

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back and plunked down my 20 bucks in

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cash and bought the book and I just

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thought this is fascinating so to keep a

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long story short at the end of the book

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there was an 800 number to call him so I

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he said we have classes I thought

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you know I mean part of me said let's

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just go all the way and see if this is

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real or not

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so I called and he called back too so we

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got one space left in our make class in

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1996 and that's how it started and that

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was the foresight Institute yeah okay so

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you start you're into the remote viewing

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now how do you make the leap from remote

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viewing into UFOs well it has to do with

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target selection and a lot of other

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things I mean Courtney had an interest

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in UFO so by the end of the first week

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in the beginner class we weren't really

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viewing UFOs

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viewing kind of more esoteric types of

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things and I believe it's when I came

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back for his advanced class that he had

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us start viewing some UFOs and crop

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circles and things like that even then

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though during this initial course that

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you went through you're getting enough

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feedback that you're feeling yeah there

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is something to this something that

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something must go it

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yeah let's yeah no no no thanks a lot

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Frank don't let's not jump bad too

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quickly yeah I I saw results in a couple

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days that defied logic okay it just was

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not in my belief system that you could

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really accurately describe a picture

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that you wouldn't see until later but I

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was able to do it with a picture of

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Cancun Mexico that was shockingly good

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and it just was too accurate my

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impressions were too accurate the

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drawing was just right but a lot of

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people got those same results during

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that eight day class and I'm not saying

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that I was totally happy with getting

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those results I mean let's be honest

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guys when you do something new there's a

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part of you that wants to confirm what

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you already believe and I thought it

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isn't going to work but it did work but

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I didn't know how it did it so I kind of

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felt wow and yet I'm feeling confused

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but that's kind of a good state to be

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into because it means hey maybe you were

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wrong with your idea about how reality

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works maybe there's other things going

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on in a big way didn't no one told you

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about and that's what it leads you

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to to start asking that types of

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questions it gets you to start asking

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which include when the topic obviously

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people who are interested in this are

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also interested in UFOs and that topic

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comes up it just starts bringing you

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into that topic and you think hey maybe

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there's more to it now eventually I'll

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tell you what really made to jump for me

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since that was your question it wasn't

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just these viewing targets because

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they're not verifiable when you could

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view a picture of a UFO or some or

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rasgulla you could just write it down in

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words like a Q on a page and have the

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viewer view it and he we viewed some of

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those targets it was more meeting people

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who came to Farsight Institute who had

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worked at NASA and I wrote about this in

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black swan ghosts my most recent book

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about encountering UFO witnesses the

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real first two for me were two guys that

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had worked at NASA one in the film

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department well he was a contractor to

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convert all the 16 millimeter film into

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video I believe he did this for them in

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like the 80s or something you know when

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video was starting to become more

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popular and he said to us you know there

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are structures on the moon I saw that in

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the 16 millimeter film that was never

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shown to the public oh wow

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not only are there structures there are

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buildings and bombed out glass

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structures he said there must have been

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a war on the moon but you know I thought

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sure this can I had a lot of credibility

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he was the only person to do this for

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NASA and he had seen all the 16

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millimeter film he said there are

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structures there you could see them with

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telescopes then there was another guy

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that worked as a civilian astronaut

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people that go through all the astronaut

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training but they never leave the

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atmosphere for whatever reason they test

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and they do a lot of stuff and they

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could they could be alternates and

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substitutes well this guy showed me the

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picture of him in the shuttle uniform

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with the whole group of shuttle

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astronauts and he said he told me things

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about a secret space program and things

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like this and he talked explicitly about

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triangular craft yeah and things like

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this and he said those belong to us but

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he said we had gotten that from

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extraterrestrial technology you see that

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started where it started going so these

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are very to credible

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people you could not discount them very

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easily who were saying we worked for

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NASA and they're not telling you

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everything then and I'll stop talking

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right after this is I went to a UFO

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conference in like July or I think was

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July of 96 August in Denver I thought I

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gotta find out more about this subject

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you know and I just got curious in there

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I found more credible witnesses dr.

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Roger Leir the implants there was this

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associate I forgot the guy's name the

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guy that worked with dr. Roger Leir back

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then and we got to handle these implants

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and there were a lot of credible people

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there more than I would thought I didn't

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know what to expect at a UFO conference

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I've had a lot of credible people so

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this all kind of hit me in the space of

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a few months and that's how it all kind

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of goes together and when you were going

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from there were what was your initial

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thought I mean were you thinking you

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know your offers are probably real or

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they might be extraterrestrial you know

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what was when it started when you

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started looking into it was your initial

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reaction you know a lot of my initial

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information was from Courtney since he

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had written cosmic voyage and in that

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book he described viewing grays and

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Martians and things like this so I got a

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lot of the information from him and I

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might not have been too critical back

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then so I kind of believed what he

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believed about it but you give to

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imagine were kind of in a group there at

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the Holiday Inn so there's a lot of time

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to talk to other people a lot of time

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because we're living there and working

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there during the day so you're talking

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to a lot of people and you kind of it

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since it was a new topic for me most

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entirely new I have to tell you I had a

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UFO sighting with my mom in the

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Everglades but I was 10 years old I was

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just a 10 year old or something 12 maybe

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yeah so I didn't know what to make of it

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but my mom said hey it's a UFO is this

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kind of green glowing object above us

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very big with kind of a even pattern of

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lights or dots or something we had

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binoculars so you could see it really

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close up and it wasn't anything I could

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identify and so way back even nano what

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is this and I had read a couple books a

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few I read Mothman Prophecies by John

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keel

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as a teenager and then I came across

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Timothy Goods book above top secret I

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believe that was while I was at college

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or something kind of around the time but

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it wasn't anything ever talked to

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anybody about and no one in graduate

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school ever mention any of this stuff so

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it kind of faded away so when I got came

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back to Courtney kind of the interest

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kind of was there again I gonna add my

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own siding and it did feel quite

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something that really did not fit

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ordinary description of reality so

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that's kind of how it all started so I

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kind of you know got in love with

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Courtney and then I ended up teaching

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there encountered more people I worked

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with Courtney for about a year I'm still

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on his board of directors for Farsight

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Institute and then I started my own

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Institute out here in Boulder Colorado

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the Mount Baldy Institute and have been

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teaching RV I taught taught I read a lot

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of people I have online classes so

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people can kind of study anytime they

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want watch the videos and so to kind of

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answer your question James these topics

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kind of go together just because it

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opens up your aperture to get involved

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with something like RV and I think now

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that when you open up that aperture to

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allow like more ideas and about what

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could be real that you might not have

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believed in earlier you start

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encountering more people who are

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interested in more evidence and it just

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sort of grows you go to conferences you

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get curious you start asking questions

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you encounter more witnesses and

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eventually I mean you read a book about

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it might the book Black Swan goes is

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only really about my encounters with UFO

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ET witnesses not like I saw people out

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they kind of know you're involved with

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RV and they sometimes say hey I got to

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tell you something something like that

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maybe they never even talked to anyone

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before you know these are witnesses

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who've never did an interview great

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there are a lot of great people out

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there like that I've never talked for

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whatever reason and you know being an

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open-minded person I have to say

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open-minded in scientific you have to go

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with the evidence if you're encountering

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people who've encountered this phenomena

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and you go to conferences and you read

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and you do your research like other

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people have done in this field and you

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say this is like an ignored topic in

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academia I mean this is a good topic

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you've got government interest

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government disinformation which isn't

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unusual lots of witnesses

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lots of verifiable evidence and trace

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cases on the ground

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pilots military witnesses it's a great

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topic and yet it's very mysterious so

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it's a great topic until I begin to

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wonder well how come no one's talking

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about this I mean how come I know one

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there's no departments in academia and I

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didn't I began to believe that our

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society was censoring out a lot of

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important topics not only our V I mean

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admittedly that was classified so you

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don't expect people to know about it

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but still when I talked to people I said

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I had done it there I encountered a lot

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of skepticism irrational skepticism and

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I began to find there a lot of topics

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that we weren't told about in school

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basically cut a long story short again

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you basically begin to come to the

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conclusion that our description of

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reality is incomplete not wrong I mean

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the one we're taught in school

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it's not wrong it's incomplete there's

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just a lot more going on just in the way

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that Einstein E and general relativity

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sir planted Newtonian physics Newtonian

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physics works at low velocities but it's

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not a complete description that's kind

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of how I came to view what's going on

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around us is there's a lot more

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phenomena that are real just a just one

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quick question yeah you brought up

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Einstein and it's fairly well known from

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people who follow them a little bit more

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closely then he came up with a lot of

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his ideas that regarding gravity and

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relativity from these thought

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experiments do you think he was doing

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kind of an armchair version of remote

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viewing to get some of these revelations

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well Frank that's a really good question

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and it's something we all think about a

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lot because you get a lot of creative

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people like him creative scientists

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Tesla is another one who and many many

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scientists when they use their

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imagination and are able to come up with

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correct descriptions of reality not

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using it from formal analysis they

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obviously had a lot of training but I

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sign was a patent Clerk before this you

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know oh yeah so you wonder how people

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like that mitad lee they're geniuses but

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is there more than just IQ and I'd have

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to say yeah I would have to agree with

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you I think they're doing a type of RV

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because I think RV is a subset of ways

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that we interact with parallel realities

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and if you can move your mind around

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through different realities a little

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beyond the one that we're in right now

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you would see alternatives that don't

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exist yet

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but it could exist have a potential to

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exist and a lot of people have written

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books about this sort of idea where you

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know they talk about adjacent possible

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potential possibilities they use very

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complex language because they don't talk

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about parallel realities because they're

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not familiar with it but they talk about

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the adjacent possible and how

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imagination is important kind of not

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just in science but in music and all

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sorts of creative endeavor so to answer

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your question yeah I would say it's

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similar to our V because they're moving

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around into what we call the future to

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look at solutions and possibilities a

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Tesla was the same way I mean apparently

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he would see his inventions before he

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created them and could move them around

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in his mind and see how they worked so I

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would agree it's a type of RV I think so

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that's my view okay interesting you know

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grant Cameron he talks about downloads

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and some of these inventions and Venters

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and musicians who get these downloads of

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information end up becoming you know

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these big things just really briefly you

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know how if somebody wanted to tap into

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these you know adjacent potentialities

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how would they do that through

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practicing remote viewing or you know

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what means what they use well personally

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I for everybody know it's a good

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question yes it is sort of different

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from everybody but I would have to say

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that when you use your imagination

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you're doing a type of time travel

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that's my belief now now I know that

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sounds kind of radical but I've been

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thinking about all this enough for 20

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years about how all this works why are

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these topics associated together why do

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they seem

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go together why do you get so much

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resistance from mainstream science and I

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would have to say the only way it would

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make sense is if what we call

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imagination is a type of time-travel

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ability that we all have to see

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alternative possibilities because I

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think when you look around you in your

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room wherever you are right now and just

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change what the color of one thing to

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another color that's a real the only

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reason you can do that in your mind is

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because it's a real parallel reality to

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the one that you're in now it's a very

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slight change but that technically is a

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parallel reality right and that's how I

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see it now I don't know if that would

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satisfy your question I mean I know that

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you like that answer but that's the way

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I see it imagination and arvy are

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related because they're all involved in

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looking at slight Vord different

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versions of the reality we're in right

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now are sometimes very large differences

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but they're all parallel realities no I

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think it's down to the gist of it I mean

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that you know honestly that that's a

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whole lecture within itself of G you

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know adjacent potentialities parallel

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universes fractals and you know other

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top talk well let me just say one more

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thing I mean that I did create a it

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seemed to me that it made so much sense

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I created another set of classes out of

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that originally I was just teaching RV

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which I called resonant viewing because

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I don't think it's really remote because

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if it's parallel realities they're right

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next to you they're not really far away

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so I called it but I developed another

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class that I call human fusion it's a

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class I teach once in awhile like a

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small group coaching class to show

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people how to use their imagination in a

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productive way it's a kind of an

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extension of RV I think you get what I'm

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talking about yeah absolutely yeah you

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know I saw that on your website I was

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wondering what that was where do you

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teach these classes there people can

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people can I teach him online the human

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Fusion class is through a group

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teleconference call so people take it

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from other countries and I'm doing some

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classes in Denver in November November

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if you're in the Denver area I'm

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teaching I'm doing like a lecture about

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the multiverse and evidence for the

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multiverse

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on in Denver on November 11th and then a

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week later at the same location I'm

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doing a one-day RV class so sometimes I

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do them in locations we did an RV class

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in Coeur d'Alene Idaho last May so

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sometimes I do them in physical

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locations and sometimes it's online the

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RV classes are recorded so people can

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kind of do self-study yeah absolutely

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you know getting getting to another

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topic because yeah you know the first

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video that I saw from you was the blue

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shift yeah to me that was fast

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especially you know from field

520
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experience you've seen some of the

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phenomena you see often time blue

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flashes and I'm talking about for

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confirmable anomalies not a weather

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phenomenon or conventional man-made

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satellites but you'll see like a sky

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quake or what people call flashbulb or

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something like that and you'll see

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you'll see a blue flash and so when I

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saw your video on that it was pretty

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fascinated and then how that tied

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together with other stuff and you had

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mentioned you went to the over

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conference and and so how booth off

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talked about some stuff as well can you

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get rid of that yeah that's a really

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good question James I mean we all knew

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how to put off from RV right he was with

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Russell Targ who worked with Ingo Swann

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and Pat price and other psychics to

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determine if this was a real phenomena

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could it be used in a you know practical

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way the way governments use information

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stuff like that and not as many people

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mentioned but back in those very early

545
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:50,370
days at Stanford Research Institute

546
00:22:55,410 --> 00:22:52,960
Jacques Vallee was also involved that's

547
00:22:57,210 --> 00:22:55,420
right Jacques Vallee wasn't interesting

548
00:23:00,060 --> 00:22:57,220
and he was at one of the herb

549
00:23:02,130 --> 00:23:00,070
conferences as the keynote oh wow yeah

550
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:02,140
yeah yeah before became the government

551
00:23:06,570 --> 00:23:04,960
classified he was yeah yeah he was

552
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:06,580
working there Jacque fell they was

553
00:23:13,380 --> 00:23:08,650
working there he's never talked about it

554
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:13,390
that much that I'm aware cuz we know him

555
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:14,770
where's the UFO guy right

556
00:23:22,890 --> 00:23:17,440
but yet you see you see the link from

557
00:23:25,620 --> 00:23:22,900
the very beginning here yeah so Jacques

558
00:23:28,260 --> 00:23:25,630
Vallee is involved and he is interested

559
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:28,270
in RV and he also has a point of view

560
00:23:32,700 --> 00:23:30,730
that there's something interdimensional

561
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:32,710
about UFOs it's not just little guys

562
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:35,290
getting in a metal ship and flying over

563
00:23:40,530 --> 00:23:38,410
here from their planet and yeah and it's

564
00:23:42,660 --> 00:23:40,540
also because of his experience with UFO

565
00:23:44,670 --> 00:23:42,670
witnesses he told me about this

566
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:44,680
personally that they have psychic

567
00:23:50,340 --> 00:23:47,170
experiences before their encounter and

568
00:23:52,590 --> 00:23:50,350
after like the Mansfield Ohio incident

569
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:52,600
in 1973 with Colonel coin and the

570
00:23:59,100 --> 00:23:54,850
National Guardsman in the helicopter he

571
00:24:00,990 --> 00:23:59,110
told me that they all reported or some

572
00:24:02,820 --> 00:24:01,000
of them reported psychic experiences

573
00:24:06,660 --> 00:24:02,830
before the event happened and afterwards

574
00:24:08,190 --> 00:24:06,670
that were very unusual yeah that's a

575
00:24:10,110 --> 00:24:08,200
great case yeah and that's the high

576
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:10,120
strangeness aspect that's so important

577
00:24:14,670 --> 00:24:12,850
to us it is guys it doesn't fit into

578
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:14,680
these boxes we have in our minds right

579
00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:17,200
because you could understand an object

580
00:24:20,850 --> 00:24:18,910
okay it's approaching the helicopter

581
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:20,860
looks you know like a submarine in the

582
00:24:23,970 --> 00:24:22,690
air and the blue green light that goes

583
00:24:26,370 --> 00:24:23,980
you know all that right that goes into

584
00:24:28,170 --> 00:24:26,380
the cockpit and then the compass stops

585
00:24:30,330 --> 00:24:28,180
working right the radio doesn't function

586
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:30,340
the compass has to be replaced it's so

587
00:24:35,820 --> 00:24:32,320
out of whack it's spinning around after

588
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:35,830
the incident but then why would that be

589
00:24:40,530 --> 00:24:37,840
associated with psychic phenomena even

590
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:40,540
before the event and Kathleen Martens

591
00:24:45,660 --> 00:24:42,490
talked about this too at some of the

592
00:24:48,890 --> 00:24:45,670
open minds UFO conferences that these

593
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:48,900
phenomena are tend to be associated with

594
00:24:54,180 --> 00:24:52,810
UFO encounters it's mysterious but to go

595
00:24:57,540 --> 00:24:54,190
back to the question just to rewind a

596
00:24:59,640 --> 00:24:57,550
second so how put off knows about this

597
00:25:01,860 --> 00:24:59,650
too because he I mean he we knew him as

598
00:25:03,660 --> 00:25:01,870
an RV guy and I've known how for a while

599
00:25:05,940 --> 00:25:03,670
meeting him at Irvine asking him

600
00:25:08,370 --> 00:25:05,950
questions and I've asked him about UFO

601
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:08,380
questions not realizing that he was

602
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:11,170
directly involved in the research but as

603
00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:12,850
he told us I mean I'm just revealing

604
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:14,710
public information that he told us at

605
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:17,410
the herb SSE event Society for

606
00:25:21,780 --> 00:25:18,850
scientific exploration it was a joint

607
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:21,790
conference in Las Vegas last June and he

608
00:25:25,410 --> 00:25:23,290
really blew everyone away because he

609
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:25,420
said that he has been involved in

610
00:25:32,289 --> 00:25:28,250
studying the materials from UFOs the

611
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:32,299
the metals and other materials that

612
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:35,450
these crafts are made of and then he's

613
00:25:40,210 --> 00:25:38,000
been doing this for a while and that the

614
00:25:42,340 --> 00:25:40,220
government never stopped studying it

615
00:25:44,289 --> 00:25:42,350
even though that's what they said when

616
00:25:46,930 --> 00:25:44,299
Project Blue Book was cancelled he told

617
00:25:48,460 --> 00:25:46,940
us right there the only said the only

618
00:25:51,820 --> 00:25:48,470
thing with that is they didn't stop

619
00:25:54,779 --> 00:25:51,830
studying it yeah yeah you're aware of

620
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:54,789
the Bolender memo where they said that

621
00:25:59,710 --> 00:25:57,890
important cases that affected national

622
00:26:04,330 --> 00:25:59,720
security never were sent to Project Blue

623
00:26:05,980 --> 00:26:04,340
Book yeah we had Paul Dean on here Paul

624
00:26:07,299 --> 00:26:05,990
Dean though I've been following Paul

625
00:26:09,460 --> 00:26:07,309
Dean ever since I heard him interviewed

626
00:26:11,049 --> 00:26:09,470
a couple years ago and looking at his

627
00:26:14,020 --> 00:26:11,059
bug right and he talks about these

628
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:14,030
alternative channels service and opera 3

629
00:26:17,860 --> 00:26:15,200
and all these ways that they were to

630
00:26:20,289 --> 00:26:17,870
communicate so he turned it turns out to

631
00:26:22,419 --> 00:26:20,299
be right on I mean because how told us

632
00:26:25,630 --> 00:26:22,429
that he mentioned the Bolender memo I

633
00:26:26,770 --> 00:26:25,640
couldn't believe yeah people in our area

634
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,780
have always been interested in the

635
00:26:31,630 --> 00:26:28,880
Bolander memo because Denton Friedman

636
00:26:33,310 --> 00:26:31,640
talked to Carol Bohlander right and he

637
00:26:34,930 --> 00:26:33,320
said he said yeah we never said that

638
00:26:36,820 --> 00:26:34,940
there were other secure channels and the

639
00:26:40,299 --> 00:26:36,830
stuff that really was good never got to

640
00:26:42,460 --> 00:26:40,309
Blue Book and that's what Hal said - he

641
00:26:44,890 --> 00:26:42,470
said the Boland mo showed us he didn't

642
00:26:46,270 --> 00:26:44,900
reveal anything new he just how showed

643
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:46,280
us what's already in the public record

644
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:50,090
so the government was concerned about

645
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:51,440
this the whole time and what how

646
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:53,840
emphasized to us his angle on it

647
00:26:58,659 --> 00:26:56,330
obviously this is the T TSA angle with

648
00:27:01,870 --> 00:26:58,669
Tom DeLonge and so forth is there

649
00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:01,880
concerned about our you know national

650
00:27:06,130 --> 00:27:04,370
adversaries getting ahead in this

651
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:06,140
technology before we figure out how it

652
00:27:13,419 --> 00:27:09,440
works yes so how has been involved with

653
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:13,429
this and he did give us a lecture about

654
00:27:19,060 --> 00:27:16,490
how the materials work he only mentioned

655
00:27:21,310 --> 00:27:19,070
one type of material I did attempt to

656
00:27:25,180 --> 00:27:21,320
find out about the other materials and I

657
00:27:29,140 --> 00:27:25,190
was told that no you can't we're not

658
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:29,150
allowed to talk about that he didn't say

659
00:27:33,070 --> 00:27:30,799
it's classified he said I'm not allowed

660
00:27:35,409 --> 00:27:33,080
to talk about it so I'm assuming that

661
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:35,419
there are many other types of materials

662
00:27:39,639 --> 00:27:38,090
bismuth magnesium being one of them you

663
00:27:41,030 --> 00:27:39,649
know the arts parts and so forth right

664
00:27:46,670 --> 00:27:41,040
yeah

665
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:46,680
and you know Bob Bigelow being involved

666
00:27:51,980 --> 00:27:48,450
in storing the materials at Bigelow

667
00:27:55,370 --> 00:27:51,990
Aerospace that came out in the New York

668
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:55,380
Times article last December but how told

669
00:28:02,120 --> 00:27:58,320
us that these materials if you beamed

670
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:02,130
terror tetra Hertz

671
00:28:08,650 --> 00:28:04,640
excuse me correct terahertz terahertz of

672
00:28:13,340 --> 00:28:08,660
wavelengths at the bismuth magnesium it

673
00:28:17,330 --> 00:28:13,350
creates a shift somehow in the speed of

674
00:28:19,700 --> 00:28:17,340
light so that these crafts don't operate

675
00:28:22,130 --> 00:28:19,710
faster than the speed of light but for

676
00:28:23,630 --> 00:28:22,140
us their speed of light is different so

677
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:23,640
in a sense it's faster than ours

678
00:28:30,410 --> 00:28:25,650
something like that

679
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:30,420
and it creates a blue shift in that

680
00:28:33,710 --> 00:28:32,130
direction I mean some physicists wrote

681
00:28:35,450 --> 00:28:33,720
me on YouTube and said it's not oh it

682
00:28:37,670 --> 00:28:35,460
doesn't always look blue it shifted in

683
00:28:41,690 --> 00:28:37,680
the blue direction that's important

684
00:28:44,270 --> 00:28:41,700
point yeah but nonetheless how did say

685
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:44,280
this is if you shift those frequencies

686
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:48,330
you end up our spectrum ends up in

687
00:28:54,860 --> 00:28:51,690
ultraviolet and infrared ends up in

688
00:28:58,210 --> 00:28:54,870
visible light and then he said this is

689
00:29:00,770 --> 00:28:58,220
why people get sometimes get injured Oh

690
00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:00,780
contact is because they're now exposed

691
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:03,510
to ultraviolet light in very high

692
00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:05,370
frequencies and I did interview someone

693
00:29:08,780 --> 00:29:07,320
on my it's on my youtube channel Gary

694
00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:08,790
the guy that worked at Minot Air Force

695
00:29:15,890 --> 00:29:12,360
Base in the early 70s with his colleague

696
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:15,900
in the as a missile security guard they

697
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:18,480
were burnt by a UFO taking off near one

698
00:29:22,250 --> 00:29:20,970
of these silos the whole base was put on

699
00:29:23,810 --> 00:29:22,260
alert there were about five or six

700
00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:23,820
objects as he told me in the area that

701
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:25,980
night and they encountered what he was

702
00:29:32,330 --> 00:29:29,760
burned as was all of the the Jeep itself

703
00:29:34,910 --> 00:29:32,340
was discolored the their rifles were

704
00:29:37,130 --> 00:29:34,920
discolored so I said that's what house

705
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:37,140
talking about because Gary didn't report

706
00:29:42,290 --> 00:29:38,970
nausea or anything like that that's

707
00:29:44,270 --> 00:29:42,300
associated with ionizing radiation he

708
00:29:46,550 --> 00:29:44,280
just reported burned and they gave him a

709
00:29:48,140 --> 00:29:46,560
cream he said it helped on the right

710
00:29:52,190 --> 00:29:48,150
side of his face and the other guy in

711
00:29:54,530 --> 00:29:52,200
the Sat truck the security alert team

712
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:54,540
truck was also burnt on the right

713
00:29:58,370 --> 00:29:56,010
face from the direction of the object it

714
00:29:59,840 --> 00:29:58,380
was blinding so you know this is

715
00:30:01,850 --> 00:29:59,850
associated with all the northern tier

716
00:30:07,010 --> 00:30:01,860
sightings in the 60s and 70s around

717
00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:07,020
missile bases nuclear missile bases yeah

718
00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:10,980
right we're all familiar with that so in

719
00:30:16,190 --> 00:30:12,510
any case this is what Hale talked about

720
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,200
and you know for me James it just it was

721
00:30:20,660 --> 00:30:18,720
amazing to have someone with his level

722
00:30:22,250 --> 00:30:20,670
of credibility come forward and tell us

723
00:30:24,410 --> 00:30:22,260
for those of us who've been studying

724
00:30:28,220 --> 00:30:24,420
this that yeah it's been real the whole

725
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:28,230
time and it's the different people that

726
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:30,000
are involved with this or it's there's

727
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:31,440
so much such a high level of

728
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:32,970
classification they don't talk to each

729
00:30:37,610 --> 00:30:35,730
other so it's not just they're covering

730
00:30:39,650 --> 00:30:37,620
it up they're covering it up from each

731
00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:39,660
other you can kind of see how complex it

732
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:41,940
is within the gap yeah it's not just

733
00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:43,200
that there's this monolithic government

734
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,230
it's not telling us the truth it's that

735
00:30:50,750 --> 00:30:48,480
there's these stovepipes who because of

736
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:50,760
the way special access programs work

737
00:30:55,490 --> 00:30:52,530
don't communicate with other stovepipes

738
00:30:58,850 --> 00:30:55,500
if that's the way it is so that's what

739
00:31:00,290 --> 00:30:58,860
I'll told us and I thought it was I was

740
00:31:02,450 --> 00:31:00,300
surprised it wasn't some sort of major

741
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:02,460
news headline that you know someone

742
00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:04,290
that's worked in within you know has

743
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:05,940
worked with the government first since

744
00:31:12,020 --> 00:31:09,600
the 1960s unclassified research comes

745
00:31:13,550 --> 00:31:12,030
out and says it's real and we're trying

746
00:31:15,730 --> 00:31:13,560
to figure out how it works and maybe we

747
00:31:18,380 --> 00:31:15,740
have figured out how some of it works

748
00:31:19,310 --> 00:31:18,390
that that doesn't use in the major news

749
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:19,320
headline because I mean basically

750
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:21,450
applies that other implies there are

751
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:23,610
other aerospace technologies and some of

752
00:31:29,060 --> 00:31:26,850
that yeah yeah the case you mentioned

753
00:31:31,250 --> 00:31:29,070
where there were physical effects you

754
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:31,260
know in retrospect I'm thinking you know

755
00:31:36,350 --> 00:31:32,610
it'd be interesting to know if Kate

756
00:31:37,790 --> 00:31:36,360
green was involved with that with the

757
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,800
studying the effects of that cuz I know

758
00:31:41,330 --> 00:31:39,360
that they're they're kind of looking

759
00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:41,340
back and trying to find people like that

760
00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:50,510
and testing their DNA so from there I

761
00:31:56,210 --> 00:31:53,700
also only get into

762
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:56,220
oh the you know you mentioned on your on

763
00:31:59,450 --> 00:31:58,080
one of your YouTube videos when you're

764
00:32:03,170 --> 00:31:59,460
right you went to Bigelow Aerospace

765
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:03,180
right yeah we did we did and you asked

766
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:06,450
them about the if they're storing any of

767
00:32:12,380 --> 00:32:08,250
the parts over there

768
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:12,390
I asked three people over there yeah

769
00:32:17,659 --> 00:32:14,610
okay first I mean I thought it was a

770
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:17,669
fair question it was in it's in the New

771
00:32:21,010 --> 00:32:19,530
York Times article from last December

772
00:32:25,159 --> 00:32:21,020
was it December sixteenth seventeenth

773
00:32:26,810 --> 00:32:25,169
last year some sod that the materials

774
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:26,820
were stored at Bigelow Aerospace this is

775
00:32:30,940 --> 00:32:29,010
coming from the a tip people great I

776
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:30,950
guess everyone knows you know they that

777
00:32:37,010 --> 00:32:33,770
secret government program within the DoD

778
00:32:38,810 --> 00:32:37,020
within the Pentagon to figure out you

779
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,820
know what these crafts are and see if

780
00:32:42,890 --> 00:32:40,559
they you know you could reproduce the

781
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:42,900
technology so worth so called a chip

782
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:46,140
program or you know a tip which is aweso

783
00:32:52,340 --> 00:32:50,490
which is a yeah it's weird because we

784
00:32:53,870 --> 00:32:52,350
don't you know that type of disclosure I

785
00:32:56,740 --> 00:32:53,880
mean we got a little piece of it then we

786
00:32:59,000 --> 00:32:56,750
learned there was an awesome right and

787
00:33:02,750 --> 00:32:59,010
then and then we learned a temp never

788
00:33:04,460 --> 00:33:02,760
ended it's just just funding and we

789
00:33:05,899 --> 00:33:04,470
don't know who's involved now I mean

790
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:05,909
that's what Elizondo said it's it's

791
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:07,650
strange I think it's really weird little

792
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:08,730
pieces of this thing

793
00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:11,250
well alessandro has stated multiple

794
00:33:15,289 --> 00:33:13,110
times especially more recently he's been

795
00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:15,299
emphasizing it that just because a tip

796
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:17,940
the official idea of our proposal came

797
00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:20,970
in 2007 doesn't mean that there wasn't

798
00:33:26,029 --> 00:33:24,179
an a tip like program before and George

799
00:33:27,649 --> 00:33:26,039
Knapp has said that as well and you know

800
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:27,659
I think they're they're steering in that

801
00:33:33,049 --> 00:33:31,110
direction for a reason yes that does

802
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:33,059
doesn't mean there wasn't another one

803
00:33:39,710 --> 00:33:36,650
and I think his nip Nick Pope said right

804
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:39,720
at the open minds UFO conference last

805
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:46,530
year earlier this year he said it how do

806
00:33:54,919 --> 00:33:51,210
you know that the a tip program that's

807
00:33:57,919 --> 00:33:54,929
one of them right yes is that the UFO

808
00:34:00,260 --> 00:33:57,929
program or is that one of them and so

809
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:00,270
tricky isn't it so sly yeah because you

810
00:34:05,270 --> 00:34:02,490
know it's coming from the mo D that just

811
00:34:07,789 --> 00:34:05,280
because they admit to one program is

812
00:34:10,099 --> 00:34:07,799
that the main program are there uh you

813
00:34:12,829 --> 00:34:10,109
know just it's like trying to put a

814
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:12,839
puzzle together and I just I'm hoping

815
00:34:15,919 --> 00:34:14,010
one day that this is a little more

816
00:34:19,129 --> 00:34:15,929
transparent since we're all paying for

817
00:34:21,919 --> 00:34:19,139
it you know I mean that a Jeremy Korbel

818
00:34:24,409 --> 00:34:21,929
on a radio show maybe

819
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:24,419
not even a month ago had stated he said

820
00:34:30,770 --> 00:34:27,119
I'll say this now I'll put this out

821
00:34:32,210 --> 00:34:30,780
there and I'll be correct later I'm

822
00:34:35,809 --> 00:34:32,220
gonna put my name on the line and say

823
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:35,819
there are at least four other programs

824
00:34:42,589 --> 00:34:40,770
that we will probably see I don't know

825
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:42,599
if the we're gonna see them Declassified

826
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:44,010
or work and I'll learn about their

827
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:46,800
existence yes I mean that's very

828
00:34:50,270 --> 00:34:47,970
interesting I didn't hear that

829
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:50,280
interviews with you guys he did that I

830
00:34:55,099 --> 00:34:53,520
was with phenomenon radio yeah that's a

831
00:34:58,609 --> 00:34:55,109
very interesting comment because people

832
00:35:00,410 --> 00:34:58,619
like us talk and and sometimes you run

833
00:35:02,510 --> 00:35:00,420
into someone who's had quite a high

834
00:35:04,190 --> 00:35:02,520
position within the intelligence or

835
00:35:06,319 --> 00:35:04,200
military community who's retired now and

836
00:35:09,530 --> 00:35:06,329
they will tell you these things but they

837
00:35:11,089 --> 00:35:09,540
don't don't repeat it or they'll you

838
00:35:12,799 --> 00:35:11,099
know for a variety of reasons they'll

839
00:35:14,569 --> 00:35:12,809
tell you and then don't they don't want

840
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:14,579
you to repeat it exactly the way you

841
00:35:17,660 --> 00:35:16,290
heard it from them so you have to modify

842
00:35:19,849 --> 00:35:17,670
it so you don't give too much away

843
00:35:21,950 --> 00:35:19,859
and I'm sure Jeremy ran into these

844
00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:21,960
people too doing his documentary and

845
00:35:26,420 --> 00:35:24,569
this type of research he does because

846
00:35:29,539 --> 00:35:26,430
you know there's this got to be more I

847
00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:29,549
know we know they were looking into the

848
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:32,569
Soviet PK program and monitoring that

849
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:34,650
there's a lot more but we still don't

850
00:35:37,940 --> 00:35:36,089
know very much about it there's a lot to

851
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:37,950
learn about this from our own history

852
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:40,079
you know secret history yeah that we

853
00:35:44,660 --> 00:35:42,480
always serve to know about because it

854
00:35:46,309 --> 00:35:44,670
was decades ago and we should find out

855
00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:46,319
what the government was studying what

856
00:35:51,049 --> 00:35:47,940
did they find

857
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:51,059
I learned personally they prove PK was

858
00:35:55,099 --> 00:35:52,290
real they knew PK was real

859
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:55,109
they knew the Soviets very good at it no

860
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:58,290
doubt 100 100 percent confidence that

861
00:36:01,819 --> 00:36:00,960
it's real and yet it was never made into

862
00:36:04,220 --> 00:36:01,829
a public announcement

863
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:04,230
it wasn't even shared with the RV

864
00:36:10,579 --> 00:36:08,970
program over at DIA so that especially

865
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:10,589
its compartmentalization and when I

866
00:36:15,980 --> 00:36:13,440
asked this individual why why didn't you

867
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:15,990
tell the remote viewers at the DIA

868
00:36:21,020 --> 00:36:18,079
program who are working for you right

869
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:21,030
working for the US government it all has

870
00:36:27,230 --> 00:36:23,010
to do with the compartmentalization

871
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:27,240
and this idea protecting you know the

872
00:36:32,030 --> 00:36:29,730
sources and the methods and that comes

873
00:36:34,010 --> 00:36:32,040
first for these people before sharing

874
00:36:34,980 --> 00:36:34,020
the information does that's why the rest

875
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:34,990
of us have to

876
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:37,210
sure that we talk about it because the

877
00:36:41,730 --> 00:36:39,490
people that have seen it for whatever

878
00:36:44,700 --> 00:36:41,740
reason can't talk about it or don't feel

879
00:36:47,970 --> 00:36:44,710
it's a good idea to talk about purely

880
00:36:50,609 --> 00:36:47,980
from the idea of not sharing information

881
00:36:52,410 --> 00:36:50,619
that you know could it you know affect

882
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:52,420
existing operations you know you know

883
00:36:57,540 --> 00:36:54,250
what I'm talking about right yeah of

884
00:37:03,290 --> 00:36:57,550
course yeah let me just answer your

885
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,300
question my Bigelow since I though I

886
00:37:11,070 --> 00:37:05,200
want to talk about Bigelow first thing

887
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:11,080
we did go there and I did ask three

888
00:37:17,310 --> 00:37:15,310
people I think since it came out in the

889
00:37:20,660 --> 00:37:17,320
article I asked the guard on the bus

890
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:20,670
they came in and checked our IDs because

891
00:37:25,410 --> 00:37:23,490
because Bigelow does work with the

892
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:25,420
Department of Defense there are

893
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:28,240
regulations about who can visit defense

894
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,970
contractors and only American citizens

895
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:32,880
can visit defense contractors on

896
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:36,160
educational tours so we had to have our

897
00:37:41,550 --> 00:37:38,850
IDs checked and they had to be you know

898
00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:41,560
some sort of security check before you

899
00:37:49,470 --> 00:37:44,710
know in the weeks before we went there

900
00:37:51,060 --> 00:37:49,480
so I asked the guard I said are we gonna

901
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:51,070
get to see the he said any questions

902
00:37:56,910 --> 00:37:54,970
right I said yeah I'm gonna he was

903
00:37:58,560 --> 00:37:56,920
talking about not bringing in recording

904
00:38:00,420 --> 00:37:58,570
equipment no photos

905
00:38:01,950 --> 00:38:00,430
you know in the big little did you know

906
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:01,960
right that certain size and he said any

907
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:03,040
questions he's standing right next week

908
00:38:08,060 --> 00:38:05,530
as my hand yeah are we going to get to

909
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:08,070
see the building with the et materials

910
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:11,650
in a completely serious voice there are

911
00:38:15,180 --> 00:38:13,450
buildings here that even I'm not allowed

912
00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:15,190
to go in Wow

913
00:38:20,970 --> 00:38:18,910
so I thought whoa I mean this is a guy

914
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:20,980
that's in charge of security at the

915
00:38:25,140 --> 00:38:23,050
facility they have a good 20 security

916
00:38:29,490 --> 00:38:25,150
guards there right

917
00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:29,500
these are serious guys you know and if

918
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:31,510
they're not allowed in the bill what

919
00:38:34,290 --> 00:38:32,530
could be and something you don't allow

920
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:34,300
your security guards to go and who I

921
00:38:37,830 --> 00:38:35,680
mean they're allowed in the other but

922
00:38:40,290 --> 00:38:37,840
look it'd be more important than the

923
00:38:42,090 --> 00:38:40,300
space modules we're seeing that yeah oh

924
00:38:43,650 --> 00:38:42,100
and to see right who well who does

925
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:43,660
security for those buildings if it's not

926
00:38:51,330 --> 00:38:48,730
those guys okay so we go in the building

927
00:38:55,590 --> 00:38:51,340
and there's Bob Bigelow and he says I

928
00:38:59,130 --> 00:38:55,600
used to be a member of SSC and you know

929
00:39:01,710 --> 00:38:59,140
he was on 60 minutes about a year or two

930
00:39:03,090 --> 00:39:01,720
ago right saying that he's a believer in

931
00:39:04,830 --> 00:39:03,100
all this phenomena his parents had a

932
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:04,840
daylight sighting right there in Vegas

933
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:07,210
you know right in front of the car yeah

934
00:39:14,490 --> 00:39:11,650
and he was an early sponsor of SSC and

935
00:39:18,510 --> 00:39:14,500
so forth so we can't ask him any

936
00:39:20,580 --> 00:39:18,520
questions but we get our tour guides who

937
00:39:22,260 --> 00:39:20,590
are not tour guides they're people who

938
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:22,270
work in the company in our case we had

939
00:39:27,690 --> 00:39:26,290
two vice-presidents as target so at some

940
00:39:28,830 --> 00:39:27,700
point during the tour of the crew

941
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:28,840
capsules which are very interesting you

942
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:30,160
know it's these crew capsules that are

943
00:39:35,090 --> 00:39:32,050
gonna be launched by Elon Musk's

944
00:39:37,530 --> 00:39:35,100
spacecraft and they're designed to be in

945
00:39:39,630 --> 00:39:37,540
orbit for a really long period of time

946
00:39:43,260 --> 00:39:39,640
and even go to other planets and stuff

947
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:43,270
maybe even work on the surface of Mars

948
00:39:46,770 --> 00:39:45,010
and things like this and it's the

949
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:46,780
mechanics it's really 3d stuff is how do

950
00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:47,890
you get people have to live in there

951
00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:51,910
right so so fascinating but I'm one of

952
00:39:56,430 --> 00:39:54,310
them I asked do I said there wasn't your

953
00:40:00,330 --> 00:39:56,440
Times article you know last year it said

954
00:40:03,630 --> 00:40:00,340
you guys have et material stored here at

955
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:03,640
the facility is it true he said we don't

956
00:40:13,410 --> 00:40:10,810
comment on news and media okay okay so

957
00:40:17,130 --> 00:40:13,420
that was one attempt to just find out

958
00:40:20,070 --> 00:40:17,140
and and then the other tour guide I

959
00:40:24,540 --> 00:40:20,080
asked him at towards the end of the tour

960
00:40:25,830 --> 00:40:24,550
you know he said any more questions do

961
00:40:28,650 --> 00:40:25,840
this or no one's gonna we're not gonna

962
00:40:33,420 --> 00:40:28,660
find out Oh said we're told that they're

963
00:40:37,710 --> 00:40:33,430
eating material stored at this facility

964
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:37,720
is it true I said where are they and he

965
00:40:44,010 --> 00:40:40,170
said they're all around us

966
00:40:46,170 --> 00:40:44,020
kind of big answer and Latta like you

967
00:40:47,370 --> 00:40:46,180
know there on the sky you know I don't

968
00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:47,380
know even he was kind of dodging the

969
00:40:53,250 --> 00:40:47,830
question

970
00:40:57,870 --> 00:40:53,260
yeah but I can't tell you from somebody

971
00:41:00,540 --> 00:40:57,880
I talked to at the SSE meeting I talked

972
00:41:03,530 --> 00:41:00,550
to someone who said they had been in the

973
00:41:06,930 --> 00:41:03,540
Bigelow facility with the

974
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:06,940
so because I asked someone later about

975
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:07,930
this and they said now I've been there

976
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:13,090
so they say they saw anything or they

977
00:41:18,330 --> 00:41:14,170
were just saying they were an ability

978
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:18,340
they had in the building so those are my

979
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:21,280
kind of four encounters around the

980
00:41:27,150 --> 00:41:24,850
Bigelow Aerospace and you know I'm I

981
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:27,160
would have to say I'm pretty sure that

982
00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:29,410
that is where the government does store

983
00:41:33,420 --> 00:41:31,510
the et materials and the reason that why

984
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:33,430
would the government do that it's

985
00:41:38,670 --> 00:41:36,640
plausible deniability in essence they

986
00:41:40,590 --> 00:41:38,680
can say we don't have any materials the

987
00:41:43,950 --> 00:41:40,600
government doesn't is not in the et

988
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:43,960
materials business right and some sense

989
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:46,000
that would kind of be true though in a

990
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:47,890
court of law it would sort of be

991
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:49,930
questionable right but just on the face

992
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:51,130
of it they can say we don't have

993
00:41:55,290 --> 00:41:51,520
anything

994
00:41:57,180 --> 00:41:55,300
no FOIA request right yeah it's at

995
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:57,190
private contractors and then the private

996
00:42:01,530 --> 00:41:59,200
contractor gets to I guess develop it

997
00:42:03,210 --> 00:42:01,540
and try to see how it works and use it

998
00:42:04,980 --> 00:42:03,220
in their own well you have to wonder if

999
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:04,990
let's say they figured out how some of

1000
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:06,730
these materials worked now we're in the

1001
00:42:12,210 --> 00:42:08,800
future who gets that just Bob Bigelow

1002
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:12,220
get to employ that in his technology or

1003
00:42:18,090 --> 00:42:15,040
is it shared a lot of legal questions

1004
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:18,100
there don't you think oh and you know a

1005
00:42:23,370 --> 00:42:19,810
lot of you know what they're talking

1006
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:23,380
about with these meta materials is that

1007
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:25,570
they seem to be created in a zero

1008
00:42:31,770 --> 00:42:28,000
gravity environment and George Knapp

1009
00:42:36,660 --> 00:42:31,780
commented that may be part of Bob

1010
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:36,670
Bigelow's you know you know vision is to

1011
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:39,490
have one of these you know habitats up

1012
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:41,680
in space where there's in create an

1013
00:42:46,530 --> 00:42:42,850
environment like that to actually

1014
00:42:49,860 --> 00:42:46,540
conduct you know to you know produce

1015
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:49,870
materials like that interesting that's

1016
00:42:55,620 --> 00:42:51,850
very interesting and I was told similar

1017
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:55,630
things during the cockroach environment

1018
00:43:00,480 --> 00:42:58,720
there the isotopes are not from Earth

1019
00:43:02,910 --> 00:43:00,490
the types of isotopes you'd find on the

1020
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:02,920
earth just you know for people that are

1021
00:43:09,870 --> 00:43:05,050
don't know what that means it means that

1022
00:43:11,340 --> 00:43:09,880
you know the periodic elements that the

1023
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:11,350
elements of make a periodic table have

1024
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:15,660
variations in the number of neutrons

1025
00:43:21,020 --> 00:43:18,330
there's slight deviations from the kind

1026
00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:21,030
that we find most of the time alternate

1027
00:43:27,590 --> 00:43:24,420
versions of the material and with more

1028
00:43:30,770 --> 00:43:27,600
or less neutrons and this these

1029
00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:30,780
materials are made of those isotopes

1030
00:43:36,140 --> 00:43:33,420
that are very rare to find on earth you

1031
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:36,150
can kind of tell by looking at these the

1032
00:43:40,310 --> 00:43:38,400
elements that these meta materials are

1033
00:43:42,590 --> 00:43:40,320
made from that they're not from the ones

1034
00:43:45,290 --> 00:43:42,600
you wouldn't make this it that way on

1035
00:43:47,780 --> 00:43:45,300
earth I was even told by one person that

1036
00:43:50,330 --> 00:43:47,790
some of the isotopic variations are in

1037
00:43:54,170 --> 00:43:50,340
the number of electrons which isn't even

1038
00:43:56,330 --> 00:43:54,180
how modern scientists would you know

1039
00:43:58,370 --> 00:43:56,340
isotopes can be created but it takes a

1040
00:43:59,960 --> 00:43:58,380
lot of work and energy to bombard a

1041
00:44:01,790 --> 00:43:59,970
material and change the number of

1042
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:01,800
neutrons or electrons in it and keep it

1043
00:44:07,460 --> 00:44:05,610
stable so that's another clue that these

1044
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:07,470
are not materials from Earth I mean we

1045
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,730
heard Hal and George Knapp say that

1046
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:13,440
they've looked at every database of

1047
00:44:17,090 --> 00:44:15,210
every country to see if there's anything

1048
00:44:20,780 --> 00:44:17,100
even remotely like these meta materials

1049
00:44:23,090 --> 00:44:20,790
and they can't find anything and then

1050
00:44:25,730 --> 00:44:23,100
the isotopes are different than you find

1051
00:44:28,100 --> 00:44:25,740
on earth so it's pretty strong evidence

1052
00:44:34,070 --> 00:44:28,110
that this is coming from somewhere else

1053
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:34,080
it doesn't totally rule out secret space

1054
00:44:36,770 --> 00:44:34,890
program

1055
00:44:38,750 --> 00:44:36,780
maybe that got materials from asteroids

1056
00:44:40,250 --> 00:44:38,760
and assembled it up there in space right

1057
00:44:42,650 --> 00:44:40,260
I mean we can't totally rule that out

1058
00:44:45,380 --> 00:44:42,660
yeah absolutely it could be some kind of

1059
00:44:48,770 --> 00:44:45,390
black program yeah classified

1060
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:48,780
you know secret technology I mean for

1061
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:52,890
sure they don't they don't think so

1062
00:44:59,600 --> 00:44:56,370
because we are Steve justice from

1063
00:45:01,730 --> 00:44:59,610
Lockheed Martin skunk works during the T

1064
00:45:05,210 --> 00:45:01,740
TSA event remembered they had on YouTube

1065
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:05,220
in October last year yeah and he said

1066
00:45:11,870 --> 00:45:06,690
you didn't meet online people can listen

1067
00:45:14,990 --> 00:45:11,880
he said this isn't our stuff I mean

1068
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:15,000
think about it too the probability of

1069
00:45:21,470 --> 00:45:17,970
let's say maybe some of these materials

1070
00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:21,480
are from the late 1940s because there

1071
00:45:25,730 --> 00:45:23,310
were several crashes then and allegedly

1072
00:45:28,980 --> 00:45:25,740
arts parts is actually from Roswell we

1073
00:45:33,630 --> 00:45:30,720
you know because the guy kind of sent it

1074
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:33,640
in or not you know anonymously but there

1075
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:37,210
was another crash around that time also

1076
00:45:43,290 --> 00:45:39,810
just within a few days of Roswell and

1077
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:43,300
say these materials back then you know

1078
00:45:49,050 --> 00:45:45,970
are some of the materials being studied

1079
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:49,060
what secret space program you know could

1080
00:45:56,700 --> 00:45:53,760
do that in the 1940s no I would yeah so

1081
00:45:57,330 --> 00:45:56,710
that's a very far no that's a very good

1082
00:45:59,880 --> 00:45:57,340
point

1083
00:46:02,040 --> 00:45:59,890
Jane Tommy this has been going on for

1084
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,050
decades and it just doesn't quite seem

1085
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:04,240
plausible that you had this in the 60s

1086
00:46:09,450 --> 00:46:07,450
or the 50s or the 40s I mean it didn't

1087
00:46:14,450 --> 00:46:09,460
the case in Brazil was I think in the

1088
00:46:17,310 --> 00:46:14,460
1950s or 60s yeah so yeah again you know

1089
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:17,320
you know maybe they did go in afterwards

1090
00:46:20,730 --> 00:46:19,330
and and there is a black program that

1091
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:20,740
tried to replicate it the best they

1092
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:21,280
could

1093
00:46:24,690 --> 00:46:23,290
yes though those cases from all the way

1094
00:46:25,980 --> 00:46:24,700
back then I don't think anybody's

1095
00:46:28,770 --> 00:46:25,990
touching that with any kind of

1096
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:28,780
technological stick no it just doesn't

1097
00:46:34,650 --> 00:46:32,130
seem plausible even if you know I mean

1098
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:34,660
then maybe the military doesn't have the

1099
00:46:40,530 --> 00:46:37,690
latest technology but it seems doubtful

1100
00:46:41,849 --> 00:46:40,540
they'd be decades behind what the

1101
00:46:44,820 --> 00:46:41,859
government really had why would you

1102
00:46:45,780 --> 00:46:44,830
spend billions and trillions well you

1103
00:46:47,790 --> 00:46:45,790
know you can always have counter

1104
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:47,800
arguments but I just don't think I don't

1105
00:46:50,190 --> 00:46:48,160
buy it

1106
00:46:54,300 --> 00:46:50,200
I don't think yeah you would be in

1107
00:46:56,220 --> 00:46:54,310
situations where you lose like if you

1108
00:46:57,900 --> 00:46:56,230
had had superior technology that could

1109
00:46:59,970 --> 00:46:57,910
have just accomplished what you were

1110
00:47:02,460 --> 00:46:59,980
attempting to accomplish in a much

1111
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:02,470
faster manner yeah and also you have

1112
00:47:06,570 --> 00:47:04,960
Rendlesham so you think that this black

1113
00:47:08,430 --> 00:47:06,580
program that's trying to hide and

1114
00:47:12,020 --> 00:47:08,440
protect this technology develop it is

1115
00:47:14,730 --> 00:47:12,030
going to go above a a secret you know

1116
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:14,740
nuclear facility that the UK has no idea

1117
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:18,090
that we're storming nukes and yeah

1118
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:20,290
attention to it know exactly that's

1119
00:47:26,250 --> 00:47:23,920
ready to plan that just make a parade on

1120
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:26,260
the air base and affect crew members

1121
00:47:31,650 --> 00:47:28,240
with physical effects like a John

1122
00:47:34,410 --> 00:47:31,660
Burroughs and others yeah there's no way

1123
00:47:36,349 --> 00:47:34,420
an allegedly T TSA has some kind of

1124
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:36,359
material from that incident there's some

1125
00:47:42,180 --> 00:47:41,290
from red ocean is that right yes yes CTS

1126
00:47:44,730 --> 00:47:42,190
a put up a video

1127
00:47:47,609 --> 00:47:44,740
and you know had papers of material

1128
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:47,619
analysis and before they put up a

1129
00:47:52,140 --> 00:47:50,410
version and some you know and they they

1130
00:47:54,420 --> 00:47:52,150
got to keep up because you know people

1131
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:54,430
are stopping pausing the video zooming

1132
00:47:59,359 --> 00:47:56,530
in and analyzing the videos very closely

1133
00:48:02,069 --> 00:47:59,369
oh yeah somebody yeah and so I think

1134
00:48:04,799 --> 00:48:02,079
Twitter user Jay actually went back and

1135
00:48:08,130 --> 00:48:04,809
he put the lab to analyze the materials

1136
00:48:12,270 --> 00:48:08,140
he was able to zoom that much in and I

1137
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:12,280
said yeah yeah we can we can dig up and

1138
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:14,319
find out what company that was but it

1139
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:18,400
said Rendlesham forest you know that

1140
00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:20,650
explains why that video was taken down

1141
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:25,089
because they put up yeah yeah it was a

1142
00:48:31,620 --> 00:48:29,890
uploaded it blurred out because I

1143
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:31,630
remember going to the video and I'm

1144
00:48:34,859 --> 00:48:33,609
saying hey it's a video with how talk

1145
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:34,869
about the materials I mean I love it

1146
00:48:39,539 --> 00:48:36,490
let's go tickle it and it was it wasn't

1147
00:48:41,039 --> 00:48:39,549
there yeah yeah and I said what happened

1148
00:48:42,510 --> 00:48:41,049
weren't the video and now you're

1149
00:48:45,029 --> 00:48:42,520
explaining to me what must have happened

1150
00:48:47,309 --> 00:48:45,039
is it somebody saw something really

1151
00:48:50,490 --> 00:48:47,319
specific in the document with Rendlesham

1152
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:50,500
it oh my god yeah and that's seven have

1153
00:48:59,390 --> 00:48:53,890
allegedly seven materials you know the

1154
00:49:04,920 --> 00:48:59,400
art the art parts the Rendlesham piece

1155
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,930
what other one the EDS piece from Ohio

1156
00:49:09,420 --> 00:49:06,880
this guy case he did a really good

1157
00:49:11,730 --> 00:49:09,430
article on I'm not sure if that's the

1158
00:49:13,980 --> 00:49:11,740
you know that's kind of what people were

1159
00:49:16,650 --> 00:49:13,990
able to find and why I guess I would be

1160
00:49:19,620 --> 00:49:16,660
for other pieces I I heard through the

1161
00:49:23,730 --> 00:49:19,630
grapevine that one other piece is

1162
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:23,740
another piece from New Mexico but it's

1163
00:49:28,289 --> 00:49:25,690
not from Roswell it's from one of the

1164
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:28,299
other New Mexico great crashes there

1165
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:30,010
might have been another one that diana

1166
00:49:40,380 --> 00:49:37,119
padalka turned up no that's that's one

1167
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:40,390
of the pieces because you know that site

1168
00:49:46,620 --> 00:49:44,170
that Diana went to it's not like that

1169
00:49:49,769 --> 00:49:46,630
was a secret it was like it kind of was

1170
00:49:53,940 --> 00:49:49,779
like amongst some apologists there was a

1171
00:49:56,089 --> 00:49:53,950
guy who who had pieces from there and

1172
00:50:00,229 --> 00:49:56,099
and several researchers had those pieces

1173
00:50:02,660 --> 00:50:00,239
yeah and I guess that case was uh was

1174
00:50:04,459 --> 00:50:02,670
actually pretty good because the guy had

1175
00:50:06,259 --> 00:50:04,469
the material analyzed and he was also

1176
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:06,269
saying some of these things back then in

1177
00:50:10,939 --> 00:50:09,690
2004 because that site has been kind of

1178
00:50:13,759 --> 00:50:10,949
known for a little bit on some

1179
00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:13,769
researchers that the same thing it looks

1180
00:50:17,900 --> 00:50:14,910
like it was created in a zero-gravity

1181
00:50:20,089 --> 00:50:17,910
environment because the iron would have

1182
00:50:22,699 --> 00:50:20,099
like bled down into the other materials

1183
00:50:25,099 --> 00:50:22,709
and this clearly separated layered and

1184
00:50:25,969 --> 00:50:25,109
then that should not be possible you

1185
00:50:29,089 --> 00:50:25,979
know and then there's something there's

1186
00:50:31,459 --> 00:50:29,099
a few other materials too which I'm not

1187
00:50:32,839 --> 00:50:31,469
even sure about yeah they're likely have

1188
00:50:36,140 --> 00:50:32,849
their hands on some of the Yuba tube

1189
00:50:39,439 --> 00:50:36,150
material as well they're fragments from

1190
00:50:41,509 --> 00:50:39,449
that case that Peter Sturrock looked

1191
00:50:43,339 --> 00:50:41,519
into closely he's a professor at

1192
00:50:44,749 --> 00:50:43,349
Stanford so there's connections there

1193
00:50:46,999 --> 00:50:44,759
they know each other I know that they do

1194
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:47,009
so it's certainly quite possible that

1195
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:49,680
that's another area where they picked up

1196
00:50:53,150 --> 00:50:50,880
a few of the fragments that they're

1197
00:50:55,279 --> 00:50:53,160
looking at yeah the way has quite a few

1198
00:50:59,420 --> 00:50:55,289
pieces and you know Valais he wrote the

1199
00:51:00,680 --> 00:50:59,430
foreword for Peter Levin des you know I

1200
00:51:02,299 --> 00:51:00,690
don't know what kind of connection to

1201
00:51:03,859 --> 00:51:02,309
have but obviously I'm sure he wouldn't

1202
00:51:05,319 --> 00:51:03,869
mind handing over a few materials for

1203
00:51:08,809 --> 00:51:05,329
analysis they're gonna want the money

1204
00:51:12,319 --> 00:51:08,819
yeah it's expensive a lot of guys have

1205
00:51:14,509 --> 00:51:12,329
tried to have curious pieces tested well

1206
00:51:15,890 --> 00:51:14,519
they did do it and it ended up costing

1207
00:51:17,749 --> 00:51:15,900
him a lot of money and they got a

1208
00:51:19,849 --> 00:51:17,759
negative answer to it just like

1209
00:51:22,459 --> 00:51:19,859
yesterday Elizondo was spending a lot of

1210
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:22,469
time at his conference over in Europe

1211
00:51:27,499 --> 00:51:25,890
over in Italy where he and the long did

1212
00:51:28,609 --> 00:51:27,509
a little bit of a presentation yesterday

1213
00:51:30,469 --> 00:51:28,619
that was very good

1214
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:30,479
but he also said he doesn't expect all

1215
00:51:37,249 --> 00:51:31,680
these are going to pan out

1216
00:51:38,779 --> 00:51:37,259
yeah well about this guy's yeah I mean

1217
00:51:42,799 --> 00:51:38,789
just to comment on this because in the

1218
00:51:45,229 --> 00:51:42,809
crop circles in 1997 I encountered a

1219
00:51:47,479 --> 00:51:45,239
woman from Italy who I used to run into

1220
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:47,489
like a couple years in a row in the crop

1221
00:51:53,390 --> 00:51:50,400
circles and she said that she knew a

1222
00:51:58,420 --> 00:51:53,400
pilot from Aviano air base whose job he

1223
00:52:01,729 --> 00:51:58,430
had told her was to find pieces of UFOs

1224
00:52:03,319 --> 00:52:01,739
Wow pieces of metal would come off

1225
00:52:04,699 --> 00:52:03,329
occasionally and then he would track

1226
00:52:07,279 --> 00:52:04,709
them down and then a team on the ground

1227
00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:07,289
would pick him up and I thought you know

1228
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:09,209
I mean back then is this science this is

1229
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:09,810
for real

1230
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:15,210
why but now it's starting to click

1231
00:52:20,210 --> 00:52:17,970
starting to click yes that's the way he

1232
00:52:24,650 --> 00:52:20,220
mentioned the jet tiles from you know

1233
00:52:27,860 --> 00:52:24,660
many sightings and the case yeah Jack

1234
00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:27,870
tiles he did a whole video on on this we

1235
00:52:34,670 --> 00:52:32,310
did 2017 contact in the desert which you

1236
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:34,680
know Frank came across I had never even

1237
00:52:38,030 --> 00:52:36,330
seen it and Frank had you know has a

1238
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:38,040
great article in the metamaterials where

1239
00:52:45,590 --> 00:52:41,760
there's ask me anything with Gary Nolan

1240
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:45,600
and he's I think Frank you got the video

1241
00:52:50,330 --> 00:52:48,240
linked on yeah yeah a few things have

1242
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:50,340
come up since then it was kind of news

1243
00:52:57,410 --> 00:52:55,010
to me this whole metamaterial study and

1244
00:52:59,810 --> 00:52:57,420
you know turning it's turning out that

1245
00:53:01,460 --> 00:52:59,820
it's a phenomenon just like daddy or the

1246
00:53:03,110 --> 00:53:01,470
other is a pattern that goes way back

1247
00:53:05,900 --> 00:53:03,120
they've been looking at this kind of

1248
00:53:08,060 --> 00:53:05,910
stuff for years but TTS a has been a

1249
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:08,070
catalyst and bringing it all back up

1250
00:53:15,470 --> 00:53:11,570
again and there's a long history of it

1251
00:53:18,380 --> 00:53:15,480
yeah things in there it's not just like

1252
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:18,390
hooey you know oh no no no they're

1253
00:53:21,170 --> 00:53:19,530
serious as a heart attack

1254
00:53:23,390 --> 00:53:21,180
they think they they think they're onto

1255
00:53:25,970 --> 00:53:23,400
something yeah what that is I don't know

1256
00:53:29,810 --> 00:53:25,980
they think they're onto something again

1257
00:53:32,810 --> 00:53:29,820
sir yeah Gary Nolan is gonna be in a in

1258
00:53:34,220 --> 00:53:32,820
a documentary soon it's just he said

1259
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:34,230
it's probably just gonna be a small part

1260
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:37,680
that him and with him and Giacomo way

1261
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:40,800
analyzing these materials and you know

1262
00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:43,170
it turns out that you know Gary actually

1263
00:53:50,450 --> 00:53:46,260
created that device in his lab for his

1264
00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:50,460
own work on you know DNA and solar

1265
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:53,730
biology and he says it just happens to

1266
00:54:00,560 --> 00:53:55,170
work perfectly for analyzing these

1267
00:54:02,510 --> 00:54:00,570
materials to look at the big picture

1268
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:02,520
behind this guy's the big picture around

1269
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:05,610
this this is very significant because

1270
00:54:10,310 --> 00:54:07,530
science is always asking for material

1271
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:10,320
evidence I mean this has been the big

1272
00:54:14,330 --> 00:54:12,510
criticism of the whole field of UFOs for

1273
00:54:16,430 --> 00:54:14,340
so long where is the material evidence

1274
00:54:17,930 --> 00:54:16,440
do you have a piece of something you

1275
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:17,940
know you've probably heard that kind of

1276
00:54:20,330 --> 00:54:18,480
sure I'm sure

1277
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:20,340
yeah you know it's a piece of something

1278
00:54:23,630 --> 00:54:22,050
of how come there's never any physical

1279
00:54:26,060 --> 00:54:23,640
evidence that has been

1280
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:26,070
the criticism of this ever since I

1281
00:54:30,830 --> 00:54:28,050
remember going back as a kid there's no

1282
00:54:33,770 --> 00:54:30,840
pieces right well now there are pieces

1283
00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:33,780
so science has a choice here

1284
00:54:37,970 --> 00:54:36,510
it can either keep trying to ignore this

1285
00:54:41,350 --> 00:54:37,980
subject and become increasingly

1286
00:54:44,330 --> 00:54:41,360
irrelevant or it could say well we have

1287
00:54:46,850 --> 00:54:44,340
respected researchers like Gary Nolan

1288
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:46,860
and Jacque Fellay and others who are

1289
00:54:52,220 --> 00:54:49,890
talk help enough right yeah and they're

1290
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:52,230
going to have to say like I said about

1291
00:54:57,590 --> 00:54:54,090
remote viewing we were wrong it works

1292
00:55:01,570 --> 00:54:57,600
it's real and I would imagine that could

1293
00:55:03,260 --> 00:55:01,580
lead to quite see change in the whole

1294
00:55:06,410 --> 00:55:03,270
societies hold view of the subject

1295
00:55:08,060 --> 00:55:06,420
because we have a materialistic based

1296
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:08,070
science that's the challenge with our V

1297
00:55:11,540 --> 00:55:09,810
there's really no material there to show

1298
00:55:14,330 --> 00:55:11,550
you have people's sessions on paper and

1299
00:55:16,700 --> 00:55:14,340
statistics with lots of studies but you

1300
00:55:19,250 --> 00:55:16,710
don't see how it's working but if you

1301
00:55:22,490 --> 00:55:19,260
have pieces and I guess this is what TTS

1302
00:55:24,290 --> 00:55:22,500
a is attempting to do to show us and

1303
00:55:26,780 --> 00:55:24,300
Congress and everyone look we've got

1304
00:55:29,060 --> 00:55:26,790
pieces we're figuring out how they work

1305
00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:29,070
and at some point somebody has to give

1306
00:55:36,740 --> 00:55:31,110
way here and admit they were wrong or

1307
00:55:38,330 --> 00:55:36,750
just say okay it's real because I don't

1308
00:55:40,730 --> 00:55:38,340
see any other out what do you guys think

1309
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:40,740
I think that this genie is not going

1310
00:55:46,700 --> 00:55:42,450
back in the bottle right and I think

1311
00:55:49,310 --> 00:55:46,710
that you know allegedly Elizondo and and

1312
00:55:51,530 --> 00:55:49,320
others have alluded to the fact that

1313
00:55:53,950 --> 00:55:51,540
we're getting more of these Declassified

1314
00:55:56,770 --> 00:55:53,960
videos in january/february

1315
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:56,780
yeah and they're supposed to be more

1316
00:56:03,860 --> 00:56:00,720
fascinating than the last ones also we

1317
00:56:05,540 --> 00:56:03,870
have the their their TV series are

1318
00:56:07,610 --> 00:56:05,550
coming out you know which of course

1319
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:07,620
they're hyping and they want that TV

1320
00:56:10,580 --> 00:56:09,570
series to do well so and of course it's

1321
00:56:13,610 --> 00:56:10,590
you know going to be part of their

1322
00:56:16,970 --> 00:56:13,620
income for their perpetual organization

1323
00:56:18,890 --> 00:56:16,980
their perpetual funding mechanism but it

1324
00:56:19,730 --> 00:56:18,900
seems like they are saving some

1325
00:56:22,490 --> 00:56:19,740
bombshells

1326
00:56:24,830 --> 00:56:22,500
for this this series you know including

1327
00:56:26,660 --> 00:56:24,840
the materials and and a lot of other

1328
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:26,670
things that go with it to kind of you

1329
00:56:33,050 --> 00:56:29,610
know hype their show but it seems like

1330
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:33,060
there's a lot of content in there that

1331
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:35,010
is going to be dealing with this stuff

1332
00:56:37,339 --> 00:56:36,690
it's getting you know the series is

1333
00:56:38,660 --> 00:56:37,349
going to follow the

1334
00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:38,670
Jurnee going through all this meeting

1335
00:56:42,529 --> 00:56:40,920
with John Podesta they said you know

1336
00:56:45,729 --> 00:56:42,539
they're gonna go to area 51 in the

1337
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:45,739
documentary NASA and all these places

1338
00:56:51,710 --> 00:56:48,450
and you know meeting with scientists and

1339
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:51,720
whoever else but I think that the

1340
00:56:56,359 --> 00:56:53,599
attention that they're bringing to it

1341
00:56:58,969 --> 00:56:56,369
like when the next few videos come out

1342
00:57:01,880 --> 00:56:58,979
you know if New York Times fails to pick

1343
00:57:05,150 --> 00:57:01,890
it up I'm convinced that another you

1344
00:57:07,069 --> 00:57:05,160
know heavy mainstream media outlet is

1345
00:57:08,690 --> 00:57:07,079
going to pick it up and right now that's

1346
00:57:11,299 --> 00:57:08,700
just that's at the very beginning of the

1347
00:57:13,579 --> 00:57:11,309
year and I don't see that I don't see it

1348
00:57:16,519 --> 00:57:13,589
slowing down because it's not just that

1349
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:16,529
those videos are coming out at that same

1350
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:19,440
time you know John burrows and and

1351
00:57:24,289 --> 00:57:21,359
Elizondo have also alluded to that this

1352
00:57:26,359 --> 00:57:24,299
there's going to be a huge revelation of

1353
00:57:28,089 --> 00:57:26,369
the Rendlesham forest incident I don't

1354
00:57:30,259 --> 00:57:28,099
know if they're talking about maybe

1355
00:57:31,609 --> 00:57:30,269
Elizondo when he was working in a tip

1356
00:57:34,239 --> 00:57:31,619
was able to get into some of those

1357
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:34,249
classified documents that disappeared

1358
00:57:39,229 --> 00:57:37,680
because he said he debriefed or members

1359
00:57:41,989 --> 00:57:39,239
of people that were involved in

1360
00:57:43,789 --> 00:57:41,999
Rendlesham and John Burroughs had

1361
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:43,799
confirmed he said the cats out of the

1362
00:57:51,009 --> 00:57:47,210
bag now yeah Hawks Mandela's on no and

1363
00:57:56,509 --> 00:57:51,019
he did debrief us whatever that means

1364
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:56,519
but I think that Elizondo and Aunty TSA

1365
00:58:01,519 --> 00:57:59,359
are gonna you know they're

1366
00:58:03,289 --> 00:58:01,529
january/february seems like a big time

1367
00:58:05,059 --> 00:58:03,299
it's not just you know you have these

1368
00:58:08,299 --> 00:58:05,069
other videos coming out and I think the

1369
00:58:11,239 --> 00:58:08,309
initial material analysis also coming

1370
00:58:15,019 --> 00:58:11,249
out at that time - wow that's exciting

1371
00:58:17,630 --> 00:58:15,029
it would be really great to you know get

1372
00:58:19,700 --> 00:58:17,640
confirmation about these materials I've

1373
00:58:23,690 --> 00:58:19,710
had the confirmation it's just not

1374
00:58:30,650 --> 00:58:23,700
public confirmation you know these

1375
00:58:32,299 --> 00:58:30,660
people and they're thousands of years

1376
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:32,309
ahead of our stuff that's what I've been

1377
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:34,559
told over and over there's even one guy

1378
00:58:39,799 --> 00:58:37,650
my black swuan ghost book Phil who

1379
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:39,809
worked for a defense contractor he

1380
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:42,930
worked for JPL but this wasn't for JPL

1381
00:58:47,959 --> 00:58:45,450
this was a defense contrary sted they

1382
00:58:50,029 --> 00:58:47,969
brought in this sample they to his group

1383
00:58:50,780 --> 00:58:50,039
a said guys who the people who made this

1384
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:50,790
left

1385
00:58:54,650 --> 00:58:52,290
can you figure out how it works

1386
00:58:56,180 --> 00:58:54,660
something like that right yeah people

1387
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:56,190
made it aren't here anymore and they

1388
00:59:01,100 --> 00:58:59,040
looked at this and I asked I said so you

1389
00:59:04,220 --> 00:59:01,110
really work you really thought you

1390
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:04,230
believed it was extraterrestrial he goes

1391
00:59:09,860 --> 00:59:06,480
no simian I know it was that's what he

1392
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:09,870
told me last time I talked they are and

1393
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:11,490
these are people in tops in their field

1394
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:13,530
so if they don't understand it it

1395
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:16,650
doesn't leave many other people left you

1396
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:17,730
know it doesn't leave many other options

1397
00:59:22,670 --> 00:59:19,890
okay yeah it's gotta be somewhere else

1398
00:59:24,050 --> 00:59:22,680
and if it's that advanced you I always

1399
00:59:26,330 --> 00:59:24,060
come across people who say well you know

1400
00:59:28,430 --> 00:59:26,340
it could be some other agency I mean a

1401
00:59:31,850 --> 00:59:28,440
thousand years ahead I don't buy it I'm

1402
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:31,860
not gonna buy it yeah no yeah yeah

1403
00:59:35,570 --> 00:59:32,970
there's I think there's too much

1404
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:35,580
substance to to their claims and to

1405
00:59:39,770 --> 00:59:37,290
their you know bafflement I mean these

1406
00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:39,780
people are genuinely is a good word

1407
00:59:44,570 --> 00:59:42,510
that's a very baffled yes that what

1408
00:59:46,970 --> 00:59:44,580
these materials are I mean it's not even

1409
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:46,980
like oh oh I see what these people did

1410
00:59:51,620 --> 00:59:48,690
here no they look at and say how the

1411
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:51,630
hell can that that's exactly what they

1412
00:59:56,570 --> 00:59:53,490
say it is so far out of the ballpark

1413
00:59:59,150 --> 00:59:56,580
it's not remotely close to the way we

1414
01:00:01,220 --> 00:59:59,160
make things not remotely close it's a

1415
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:01,230
type of nanotechnology with these men

1416
01:00:05,060 --> 01:00:02,850
and material properties and just for the

1417
01:00:06,860 --> 01:00:05,070
audience metamaterials are you know

1418
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:06,870
physical substances with exotic

1419
01:00:11,630 --> 01:00:09,090
properties and could bend light reverse

1420
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:11,640
refraction incidents and things like

1421
01:00:16,730 --> 01:00:13,680
things become invisible or they look

1422
01:00:18,590 --> 01:00:16,740
different and the way change like

1423
01:00:20,420 --> 01:00:18,600
crystals and stuff like that yeah and

1424
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:20,430
maybe they can they're programmed or

1425
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:21,810
designed in a way that they could blue

1426
01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:24,570
shift blue should have an R interact

1427
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:26,880
with the quantum field directly to alter

1428
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:28,530
the density the quantum stuff like this

1429
01:00:34,420 --> 01:00:31,440
that yeah we don't have it if we had it

1430
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:34,430
we wouldn't be driving around cars okay

1431
01:00:41,690 --> 01:00:37,170
like these materials are designed to be

1432
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:41,700
that way design you know have those

1433
01:00:46,580 --> 01:00:43,440
properties designed to have those

1434
01:00:47,810 --> 01:00:46,590
properties it's just so well this is you

1435
01:00:49,730 --> 01:00:47,820
know guys it's a very exciting time to

1436
01:00:51,140 --> 01:00:49,740
be involved with don't you think to be

1437
01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:51,150
involved with this objective wow this is

1438
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:53,160
amazing and it's been that it's been the

1439
01:00:57,590 --> 01:00:56,010
best year so yeah but my first year in

1440
01:01:00,140 --> 01:00:57,600
was pretty good but this is pretty good

1441
01:01:02,330 --> 01:01:00,150
too this last year right when I got

1442
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:02,340
involved in 96 it was like wow there's a

1443
01:01:08,030 --> 01:01:04,770
whole area of science yet to be just

1444
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:08,040
right with our Intel you know

1445
01:01:11,900 --> 01:01:09,450
precognition all these different

1446
01:01:14,780 --> 01:01:11,910
phenomena it even goes into other

1447
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:14,790
phenomena like Bigfoot or ghosts because

1448
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:16,410
you begin to wonder whether those

1449
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:17,850
phenomena to sort of appear and

1450
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:18,450
disappear

1451
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:22,170
yeah dimensional or yeah exactly yeah

1452
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:23,760
and then you begin to wonder is it all

1453
01:01:28,130 --> 01:01:25,890
real all these paranormal phenomena are

1454
01:01:29,660 --> 01:01:28,140
actually normal from at this point of

1455
01:01:33,290 --> 01:01:29,670
view that we're talking about here it's

1456
01:01:35,090 --> 01:01:33,300
just society's is just at a date really

1457
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:35,100
I mean society so far how far behind the

1458
01:01:39,380 --> 01:01:36,960
curve it calls it paranormal but it's

1459
01:01:41,780 --> 01:01:39,390
just a very advanced type of science

1460
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:41,790
that things can appear and disappear I

1461
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:44,640
mean listen if UFOs can appear and

1462
01:01:48,859 --> 01:01:45,810
disappear how do you know there isn't

1463
01:01:51,650 --> 01:01:48,869
some you know entity or our type of

1464
01:01:54,170 --> 01:01:51,660
creature that figured this out - yeah

1465
01:01:57,230 --> 01:01:54,180
somehow along the way some kind of

1466
01:01:59,150 --> 01:01:57,240
interdimensional being or not even that

1467
01:02:01,280 --> 01:01:59,160
they're doing it intentionally it just

1468
01:02:02,930 --> 01:02:01,290
might be that wherever they happen to be

1469
01:02:04,940 --> 01:02:02,940
there's some kind of magnetic field

1470
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:04,950
shift that allows for that kind of thing

1471
01:02:08,270 --> 01:02:06,210
like you know they're talking about

1472
01:02:12,490 --> 01:02:08,280
skinwalker ranch might just it's a thin

1473
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:12,500
area and there might be electromagnetic

1474
01:02:17,210 --> 01:02:15,210
anomalies that cause for this kind of

1475
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:17,220
interaction certain areas or certain

1476
01:02:21,650 --> 01:02:19,650
times right right that would make that

1477
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:21,660
would make sense something like that and

1478
01:02:26,420 --> 01:02:24,570
that their kid Walker ranches around the

1479
01:02:28,550 --> 01:02:26,430
planet maybe we don't even haven't

1480
01:02:32,530 --> 01:02:28,560
discovered them yet though there are and

1481
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:32,540
the and the a tip or SAP actually was

1482
01:02:40,790 --> 01:02:37,200
was involved in them right right and one

1483
01:02:42,859 --> 01:02:40,800
of them was an event in Brazil Sedona

1484
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:42,869
Arizona I think is another one I think

1485
01:02:47,060 --> 01:02:44,730
John Alexander writes about that in his

1486
01:02:48,770 --> 01:02:47,070
book Sedona Arizona or something

1487
01:02:51,590 --> 01:02:48,780
happening there and John Burroughs has

1488
01:02:53,450 --> 01:02:51,600
mentioned some stuff over there don't

1489
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:53,460
write that would be another area exactly

1490
01:03:00,170 --> 01:02:56,730
it's I was actually once asked to speak

1491
01:03:03,820 --> 01:03:00,180
at a ghost conference a testis Park up

1492
01:03:06,859 --> 01:03:03,830
at the Stanley Hotel you know which is

1493
01:03:10,190 --> 01:03:06,869
kind of the basis for you know The

1494
01:03:13,700 --> 01:03:10,200
Shining Steve I had no idea

1495
01:03:16,099 --> 01:03:13,710
yeah it had all these sighting the the

1496
01:03:17,330 --> 01:03:16,109
girls that would appear yeah yeah that

1497
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:17,340
was all based on what happened at the

1498
01:03:21,770 --> 01:03:18,210
Stanley Hotel

1499
01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:21,780
and going up there I was asked to speak

1500
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:24,240
at a ghost conference from this point of

1501
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:25,440
view that you're talking about its are

1502
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:27,570
there areas and these guys were

1503
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:29,490
particularly interested in crystals and

1504
01:03:33,950 --> 01:03:32,160
how that related to crop circles and

1505
01:03:35,450 --> 01:03:33,960
things like that those are there areas

1506
01:03:38,750 --> 01:03:35,460
where you're gonna get more of this

1507
01:03:40,970 --> 01:03:38,760
activity because of the geology of the

1508
01:03:42,620 --> 01:03:40,980
area or like in crop circles where it's

1509
01:03:45,830 --> 01:03:42,630
been artificially constructed and it's

1510
01:03:47,690 --> 01:03:45,840
kind of creating a kind of a thinness as

1511
01:03:51,380 --> 01:03:47,700
you talk about like a look more bleed

1512
01:03:53,450 --> 01:03:51,390
through from other you know dimension

1513
01:03:56,290 --> 01:03:53,460
stuff like that yeah yeah it's it's so

1514
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:56,300
funny that you mentioned that because

1515
01:04:05,210 --> 01:03:59,760
you know allegedly the site that Diana

1516
01:04:07,790 --> 01:04:05,220
went to they found out that the area

1517
01:04:09,230 --> 01:04:07,800
itself you know like under the the

1518
01:04:13,940 --> 01:04:09,240
ground and everything there's there's

1519
01:04:15,410 --> 01:04:13,950
certain metals that are consistent you

1520
01:04:17,870 --> 01:04:15,420
know and maybe that creates an

1521
01:04:20,210 --> 01:04:17,880
environment for some kind of high

1522
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:20,220
strangeness I forget the exact metals

1523
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:22,170
that were prevalent in the area but

1524
01:04:26,750 --> 01:04:23,760
there's a like a high density of certain

1525
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:26,760
materials a certain metals yeah

1526
01:04:34,010 --> 01:04:31,770
and that this guy Tyler and in Diana's

1527
01:04:38,060 --> 01:04:34,020
book American cosmic considers that

1528
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:38,070
place a sacred site hmm and surprise me

1529
01:04:44,690 --> 01:04:42,960
I'm surprised me know yeah so yeah but

1530
01:04:48,260 --> 01:04:44,700
we're getting about to the end over here

1531
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:48,270
we had a wrap-up yes no I trust me I

1532
01:04:53,180 --> 01:04:50,970
don't want to I sure both we can all go

1533
01:04:55,220 --> 01:04:53,190
on for I mean there's so many other

1534
01:04:57,770 --> 01:04:55,230
topics that we can we can discuss that

1535
01:05:00,260 --> 01:04:57,780
are fascinating and revelant to all this

1536
01:05:03,910 --> 01:05:00,270
all these revelations going on right now

1537
01:05:08,030 --> 01:05:03,920
with a tip and man kind of like the

1538
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:08,040
reinvention of you apology is amazing

1539
01:05:13,310 --> 01:05:09,690
you know guys we should do this again

1540
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:13,320
sometime in a couple naturally changing

1541
01:05:17,030 --> 01:05:15,690
it's all happening right now and this is

1542
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:17,040
a great time to be involved in this area

1543
01:05:19,940 --> 01:05:18,090
isn't it great though

1544
01:05:21,950 --> 01:05:19,950
that those of us who got involved with

1545
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:21,960
this a long time ago in the audience who

1546
01:05:25,420 --> 01:05:23,280
got where you are interested that it

1547
01:05:28,010 --> 01:05:25,430
that we have verification

1548
01:05:31,790 --> 01:05:28,020
yeah we're finally being validated

1549
01:05:35,180 --> 01:05:31,800
through all this you know and this is a

1550
01:05:38,030 --> 01:05:35,190
to be to be the show this show wouldn't

1551
01:05:40,430 --> 01:05:38,040
exist if it wasn't for TTS eh oh is that

1552
01:05:42,380 --> 01:05:40,440
right oh yeah the environment that they

1553
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:42,390
created it that got us excited

1554
01:05:46,670 --> 01:05:44,250
James and I excited enough to get this

1555
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:46,680
going great I didn't know about you guys

1556
01:05:50,810 --> 01:05:48,930
but before you contacted me and that's

1557
01:05:53,060 --> 01:05:50,820
great so we're all gonna have a lot of

1558
01:05:56,210 --> 01:05:53,070
things to do and study and talk about

1559
01:06:01,250 --> 01:05:56,220
even in the next few months there's a

1560
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:01,260
lot of developments that are underway so

1561
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:02,850
I guess we got about two or three months

1562
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:06,000
to get ready let's do another interview

1563
01:06:10,940 --> 01:06:07,770
sometime and we'll carry on from where

1564
01:06:12,380 --> 01:06:10,950
we left off today absolute leather to

1565
01:06:15,410 --> 01:06:12,390
have you on thank you so much

1566
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:15,420
I mean you're fascinating guy for

1567
01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:26,960
website new crystal mind calm just new

1568
01:06:31,010 --> 01:06:29,280
crystal mind calm okay and what's it

1569
01:06:33,140 --> 01:06:31,020
don't you have the Mount Baldy Institute

1570
01:06:34,970 --> 01:06:33,150
ooh yeah you can get to my Mount Baldy

1571
01:06:37,010 --> 01:06:34,980
that's my publishing company and you can

1572
01:06:38,330 --> 01:06:37,020
get to my virtual viewing classes my

1573
01:06:39,890 --> 01:06:38,340
remote viewing classes online you can

1574
01:06:42,830 --> 01:06:39,900
get to all of that from new crystal mind

1575
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:42,840
but I do have online viewing classes and

1576
01:06:46,970 --> 01:06:44,400
all sorts of stuff that people can

1577
01:06:48,590 --> 01:06:46,980
participate in and also boy your book is

1578
01:06:52,970 --> 01:06:48,600
available through the website as well

1579
01:06:54,410 --> 01:06:52,980
yeah Black Swan ghosts is you can find

1580
01:06:55,970 --> 01:06:54,420
it there that has its own website and I

1581
01:06:58,760 --> 01:06:55,980
would you know encourage people to go to

1582
01:07:02,030 --> 01:06:58,770
the Black Swan ghosts dot-com website

1583
01:07:04,970 --> 01:07:02,040
because I put up videos of the witness

1584
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:04,980
interviews I felt like do this for free

1585
01:07:09,740 --> 01:07:07,410
because they trusted me to share their

1586
01:07:11,390 --> 01:07:09,750
story with all of you and some of them

1587
01:07:12,860 --> 01:07:11,400
have even passed on by now so I just

1588
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:12,870
felt I should put them all up there no

1589
01:07:16,940 --> 01:07:15,810
no login credentials needed just go to

1590
01:07:19,820 --> 01:07:16,950
Black Swan goes I kind of look at

1591
01:07:21,530 --> 01:07:19,830
witness videos and you can listen to

1592
01:07:23,300 --> 01:07:21,540
these very credible people tell about

1593
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:23,310
their contact stories and you haven't

1594
01:07:25,850 --> 01:07:24,480
heard these witnesses before these are

1595
01:07:28,550 --> 01:07:25,860
just people I've encountered have told

1596
01:07:30,230 --> 01:07:28,560
me their stories and so yeah amazing you

1597
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:30,240
want to grab those links and then add

1598
01:07:33,890 --> 01:07:31,650
them to the description on the video

1599
01:07:36,380 --> 01:07:33,900
then James on the description I have to

1600
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:36,390
do it a little later though okay and

1601
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:37,890
next time guys we have to talk about

1602
01:07:42,740 --> 01:07:39,810
crop circles because I know I know I

1603
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:42,750
know I'm still doing crop circle tours

1604
01:07:45,700 --> 01:07:45,090
because of the weird strange things that

1605
01:07:47,710 --> 01:07:45,710
happen

1606
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:47,720
almost every summer when we're there in

1607
01:07:52,539 --> 01:07:49,130
and around these crop circles it's a

1608
01:07:54,849 --> 01:07:52,549
whole other piece of the mystery do you

1609
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:54,859
do all those crop circle tours on

1610
01:07:59,680 --> 01:07:57,410
overseas yeah they're in the UK

1611
01:08:01,359 --> 01:07:59,690
okay we did it last July and we're

1612
01:08:03,519 --> 01:08:01,369
planning another one and it just it's

1613
01:08:05,079 --> 01:08:03,529
another example people go and

1614
01:08:06,069 --> 01:08:05,089
participate in this see something happen

1615
01:08:09,130 --> 01:08:06,079
right in front of their eyes

1616
01:08:10,660 --> 01:08:09,140
so yeah well thank you so much for

1617
01:08:14,859 --> 01:08:10,670
coming on this has been great thank you

1618
01:08:16,809 --> 01:08:14,869
very much dr. Hine okay take care take

1619
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:16,819
care all right

1620
01:08:20,919 --> 01:08:19,130
there we go another successful interview

1621
01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:20,929
in the bag doctor hi with some great

1622
01:08:27,999 --> 01:08:23,600
material for us yeah thanks guys

1623
01:08:29,380 --> 01:08:28,009
it was a lot of fun and when you want to

1624
01:08:33,579 --> 01:08:29,390
do it again just let me know okay

1625
01:08:36,550 --> 01:08:33,589
absolutely all right all right so I will

1626
01:08:38,169 --> 01:08:36,560
say goodbye to everyone and enjoy the

1627
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:38,179
rest of your weekend folks so we'll see

1628
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:40,250
you again real soon with another great